Introduction
Defining God
“The Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe”
The Likelihood that God Exists or Existed
- The universe was created (i.e. by God) specifically to harbor our type of life
- The universal constants randomly aligned to create this single universe that is perfect for our type of life (this also covers the case of multiverses)
- The universe is dependent on consciousness, and therefore formed on its own to support it
The Likelihood of an Afterlife
- Reincarnation
- Transcendence
- Statistical similarities between spiritual beliefs
- NDE (Near Death Experience) survivor statements
“During a night shift an ambulance brings in a 44-year-old cyanotic, comatose man into the coronary care unit. He had been found about an hour before in a meadow by passers-by. After admission, he receives artificial respiration without intubation, while heart massage and defibrillation are also applied. When we want to intubate the patient, he turns out to have dentures in his mouth. I remove these upper dentures and put them onto the ‘crash car’. Meanwhile, we continue extensive CPR. After about an hour and a half the patient has sufficient heart rhythm and blood pressure, but he is still ventilated and intubated, and he is still comatose. He is transferred to the intensive care unit to continue the necessary artificial respiration. Only after more than a week do I meet again with the patient, who is by now back on the cardiac ward. I distribute his medication. The moment he sees me he says: ‘Oh, that nurse knows where my dentures are’. I am very surprised. Then he elucidates: ‘Yes, you were there when I was brought into hospital and you took my dentures out of my mouth and put them onto that car, it had all these bottles on it and there was this sliding drawer underneath and there you put my teeth.’ I was especially amazed because I remembered this happening while the man was in deep coma and in the process of CPR. When I asked further, it appeared the man had seen himself lying in bed, that he had perceived from above how nurses and doctors had been busy with CPR. He was also able to describe correctly and in detail the small room in which he had been resuscitated as well as the appearance of those present like myself. At the time that he observed the situation he had been very much afraid that we would stop CPR and that he would die. And it is true that we had been very negative about the patient’s prognosis due to his very poor medical condition when admitted. The patient tells me that he desperately and unsuccessfully tried to make it clear to us that he was still alive and that we should continue CPR. He is deeply impressed by his experience and says he is no longer afraid of death. 4 weeks later he left hospital as a healthy man.”
- NDEs are caused by a massive release of drugs/hormones during trauma.
- NDEs are caused by some type of hallucinatory response to the brain being shut down or acute stress.
- He wanted someone to worship Him
- He needed pawns in a game
- He wanted a science experiment
- He was lonely
Contradictions in Christianity
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
- God loved the world
- God gave His one and only Son (which we must assume to be Jesus Christ, even though several people are referred to as such: Luke 3:38, Psalms 2:7, etc.)
- Whoever believes in God will live forever in Heaven
“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”
- Killing is bad (Exodus 20:13), except for when it’s not (Exodus 22:18)
- Turn the other cheek (Matthew 5:39), or an eye for an eye (Exodus 21:24)?
- The sins of the father are both visited upon sons (Isaiah 14:21) and specifically condemned from being visited on the sons (Deuteronomy 24:16).
The Mind of God and The Bible
404: Evidence Not Found – Reviewing ‘The Language of God’
“Morality is not absolute, but relative and constitutes any set of behaviors that encourage human cooperation based on their ideology to get ideologic unity. Biologists contend that all social animals, from ants to elephants, have modified their behaviors, by restraining selfishness in order to make group living worthwhile. Human morality, though sophisticated and complex relative to other animals, is essentially a natural phenomenon that evolved to restrict excessive individualism and foster human cooperation.[13] On this view, moral codes are ultimately founded on emotional instincts and intuitions that were selected for in the past because they aided survival and reproduction (inclusive fitness). Examples: the maternal bond is selected for because it improves the survival of offspring; the Westermarck effect, where close proximity during early years reduces mutual sexual attraction, underpins taboos against incest because it decreases the likelihood of genetically risky behaviour such as inbreeding.”
My Beliefs in Regards to Religion, Christianity, and God
#1 by Jennifer on April 29, 2011 - 4:13 am
Speaking as the person who sent you the book I figured I ought to create a login so I can add a few thoughts.
“the note from my friends made me realize that there are people close to me who would hope that they could sway my beliefs”
Well, knowing you and your strength of will and logical processing, I don’t know that my aspirations were as lofty as to actually cause a complete conversion of the soul just by reading this book. Yes, you know Mike and I are believers, and you’re respectful of that. I think I best understood your beliefs as being incredibly skeptical, but I wasn’t sure much beyond that. I found the book to be different and more logical than most writings that are meant to explain someone’s belief and faith. I’m honestly glad you could just take it and analyze it, as food for thought in your contemplations. I have never believed that beating someone over the head with a book (literally or figuratively) is a way to convert his or her mind and soul. I would much rather maintain a friendship and relationship with someone and be open to discussing things instead of giving him or her an ultimatum.
Let me also add here that if ironclad, incontrovertible, scientific evidence of God’s existence, His plan, His purpose and His motives existed, it probably would have made headlines by now. Who knows what we will find in the future? Most of the evidence, accounts and testimonies that exist have had some level of scientific inquiry attempt to find any other possible reason or explanation other than what Christians believe.
#2 by Jennifer on April 29, 2011 - 4:15 am
So after the intellectual exercising, it seems you arrive at 2 points and then further work on examining God’s motivations:
“So, just on the basis of this argument, I believe there is a God simply because it seems the most likely theory. However, based on just these few arguments, it is a very slim victory.”
“In short, I think science doesn’t have a good explanation for what an NDE actually is or what it is caused by, and NDEs are the strongest evidence of an afterlife that we have. And so, based purely on NDE evidence, I believe that the evidence in favor of an afterlife is enticing enough to believe there actually is one, which brings me back to contemplating God.”
So, for your discussion on Christianity and the motivations of God, let me add a fifth possibility. It has been meaningful for me in my faith to see God as a God who wanted to share a world and creation with sentient beings who wanted to be with Him. To me, it seems more like a parent-child relationship. For me, it draws a lot of correlations. Parents tend to love their children unconditionally, even when the children screw up. When the children refuse to listen to the parents and go off and make mistakes, the parents’ hearts break for the children but the parents usually still love the children a whole lot. I believe God gave us free will because He loves us and wants us to choose to be with Him, spiritually while we are here on earth, and afterwards when our time here on earth is done.
Parents know that children need rules and guidance, because doing certain things will just get you in trouble. Hence the 10 commandments, but more so, Jesus’s instruction to us to love God with all our heart, soul and mind, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. That’s hard! We are naturally selfish, proud, and not very concerned with others.
Anyway, the parent-child relationship analogy is what means the most to me and makes the most sense to me personally in my faith. If we could force our children to do everything we wanted and they couldn’t ever choose for themselves, we would never know if they do what they do because they love us and agree, or because we have made them robotic.
I’m not sharing anything past this point in order to try and change your mind, just to try and explain how my understanding is, and how I reconcile this in my personal faith.
The Old Testament descriptions of God paint a very distinct picture, of wrath and awful circumstances that happen if God’s children disobey Him. Those same people in that time relied on the priests and temple to intervene and help them communicate with God and follow His laws (which were extremely numerous – just check out Leviticus).
One of the purposes of Jesus coming to take the punishment for our sins is that we don’t have anybody between us and Jesus. We don’t need the temple or the priests anymore to talk to God for us. We can do that ourselves. I admit as a Christian it bugs me too when I see large denominations that are very focused on donations and offerings and not very focused on helping their parishioners or their world. It happens. Because of that and your skepticism of large organized religion, I understand why the hesitancy exists to get involved. Because large organized religion is run here on earth by HUMANS, and we are selfish, childish creatures (or can be), it is subject to most of the bad things that can happen as well.
Christianity and fellowship in a church at its best can be seen when the church is a family of people who want to help each other and the world around them. It doesn’t require a lot of money, fancy buildings, candles, music, or dressy clothes to serve people the way Jesus envisioned.
#3 by Jennifer on April 29, 2011 - 4:15 am
“And yet other Christians look at God like a Father figure that is correcting wayward children. The problem with both of these approaches is that they are contradicted by the Bible. Again, if God is all-powerful and all-knowing, he would have figured out a better teaching tool than suffering. Viewing God as a parent is a personification of God, and saying the mind of God is unknowable is simply an avoidance tactic, like sticking your fingers in your ears and refusing to listen when presented with conflicting information.”
Oops – hey, you did consider this viewpoint LOL I believe God is all-powerful and all-knowing, yet, what happens to the child if the parent bails them out all the time? I believe with children as with humans as God’s creation – there are some children that will listen and follow, there are some that have to learn the hard way (suffering), and God isn’t going to take our free will away from us in the process.
“To this I respond: Why? Why is belief important? Again, think about motivation. Why is it so important that we believe? This, again, is at best sadistic. Create a creature with free will and a logical, problem solving mind. Allow this creature to discover that the way to truth is to test and analyze their environment using their senses. Then, tell this creature that to avoid eternal damnation, they must believe in something they are completely hardwired against believing in…Something that doesn’t physically exist and cannot be proven. This is completely sadistic. I cannot believe that such a horrible creature would be God. And if such a horrible creature is God, I choose Satan. At least he is honest about being evil, so I have some idea what I am dealing with. “
I don’t know that I have an answer that will satisfy you. For me and my faith, I’ll say that love is not logical. The kind of love a parent typically has for his or her child is beyond comprehension, flies in the face of self-preservation, and beyond what makes sense for a human being to logically do. I can’t logically explain why I love my children as much as I do, but I know in my heart that they make my heart overflow and I can’t imagine not doing everything I can for them that will still be the best way to teach them how to be happy, self-sufficient adults. For my faith, I know that Jesus loves me the same way. He loves me even if I screw up, when I ask for forgiveness, when I do stupid things or say stupid things. He loves me and cries with me when I hurt. He carries me spiritually when I have to go through situations that I can’t imagine a way out of, or are so dark and dim that I just want to give up.
#4 by Jennifer on April 29, 2011 - 4:17 am
“However, before shooting me a million links to kooky websites, please read that previous sentence well – The evidence must be solid. I refuse to debate circumstantial evidence with circumstantial evidence, and in general, I’m not going to waste any time on someone else’s view of one or more holy books. In short, regardless of the arguments you bring to me, it is unlikely to completely convince me unless it is unequivocal. “
Unfortunately, as I mentioned earlier, I think if this kind of evidence existed, it would have come to light already If that kind of evidence existed, faith would not be necessary. Choice and belief would not be necessary, as it could be proved by a scientific theorem. The best I can say is that well, love is not logical.
“To fully understand my disbelief, ask yourself the following question: If the God of Christianity – an all-powerful, all knowing, benevolent creature who loves us and wants a personal relationship with us – exists, why hasn’t He shown up on my doorstep and spent 20 minutes talking to me? An all powerful creator can do anything: Spawn a copy of Himself to personally materialize in front of every living creature, stop time, ANYTHING. He has no limits and no boundaries. So why is He not physically in front of us talking to each and every one of us right now? When you find an answer to that question and the thousands of questions that your answer generates that makes logical, coherent sense, you will have something worth listening to. Until then, I see no choice but to continue to disbelieve in an all-powerful creator that loves and needs us. “
I am not an eloquent theologian. I can’t explain all of this, but I hear your yearning to have something concrete to hold onto, and something proven to believe in. I haven’t experienced God physically in front of me, in one form or another (like George Burns in those movies). Again, this is just my personal faith and belief, but I believe that God works in this world through his believers that allow Him into their hearts. I believe that when I get an urging to call someone that I haven’t talked to in a while, or to donate something to someone that needs it, or to share a word or thought that I wouldn’t have done otherwise, that God is trying to tell me something or encourage me to help someone in His name. I try to listen, because that’s what I believe.
You are right. It’s not logical to think that Somebody loves us and cares about us but won’t give us concrete evidence on which to base our beliefs, so that we can just make it about our brain and not our hearts. That Somebody can forgive people that have done horrible things and turned their lives around. That Somebody can even love people that are determined to live in hate. I can’t explain it, but I’m glad.
Mike and I care about you and Beth and love you as great friends. What can I say? Love isn’t always logical LOL But I’m glad for it.